First, I direct you to our previous article, which revealed the truth behind Larry Wachowski's rumored sex change.
http://romaniannewsy.blogspot.com/2007/09/wachowski-brothers-are-no-more.html
Posted over a year ago, we had no inkling of how far his transformation would go...until now.
Here is a shot of larry a few years back, when he fist began taking the female hormone therapy:
Another photo, about a year and a half later:
And this newly released photo from a rare public appearance earlier this year:
The duo will now just be known as "The Wachowskis", dropping the "brothers" part of their name. It is expected that Larry, now called Lana, will actually speak to the press about this for the first time, but not until after the Speed Racer film is out. The current feeling is that his sex change could hurt the family image the Speed Racer film is going for.
It is also expected that Andy will do all the press for the Speed Racer film, with Larry/Lana staying in the background for the above reason.
Dateline NBC is still rumored to have exclusivity of Larry/Lana's first public interview, but it has to be on his terms, not theirs.
More on this as we get it!
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The Wachowskis rock-- kudos!
Respect our TG friends.
If the person formerly known as Larry is happy, then more power say I.
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The trans community knew about Lana a while ago, but then there are a lot of gossip hounds amongst us
I always get tired of reading these articles and seeing the wrong pronoun used...
I get annoyed reading comments that fegs leave bitching about which word is used to describe the weirdo.
I consider myself pretty liberal, but one thing i can't seem to get under my skin is sex change operations. I can see how, as an extension, if I'm okay with plastic surgery, you could extend the same logic to sexual reassignment surgery, but it still seems wrong to me. I can understand being gay, I can understand non-traditional gender roles, but why cut off your fun sacks to go around acting like a woman all day?
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CalvinR 15 points 4 hours ago
The simple fact is that she identifies herself as a female, as far as she is concerned she is one. She doesn't think of them as "fun sacks" in fact she probably hates them. Now I'm gonig to assume that you are male, how would you like having breasts and not just man boobs but actual female breasts, I imagine that as a man you wouldn't like that, and would probably want them removed. It's the same thing.
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hiS_oWn 12 points 4 hours ago
you just asked a man what he would do with a pair of breasts... i think the answer is more or less obvious
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kermityfrog 6 points 3 hours ago
And if they were covered in chest hair? ::shudders at thought::
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jaggederest 4 points 2 hours ago
oh. wrong. so wrong. 0_o
I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.
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CalvinR 3 points 3 hours ago
Yeah I realized that afterwards, but what about after the novelty wears off and you realize that you are a man with a pair of breasts.
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hiS_oWn 6 points 3 hours ago
I'd join a fight club
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mangodrunk 2 points 29 minutes ago
Eventhough someone may identify themselves as the opposite gender, it doesn't make them one. He may hate his penis but that is a problem, and something that shouldn't be encouraged.
... how would you like having breasts and not just man boobs but actual female breasts ...
If you're asking a male, then obviously he would have a problem with that because he is a male. Not that he identifies with being male, but that he is one. I guess in a state where the human is on drugs to suppress their natural biological state it can be done.
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jones77 7 points 4 hours ago
There's about a bazillion books and films you can watch to help understand and empathise.
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hiS_oWn 5 points 4 hours ago
cool, could i trouble you to suggest one for me?
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skalpelis 2 points 29 minutes ago
The Matrix
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ehird 6 points 4 hours ago
If in your mind you are the opposite gender, then your physical gender is not something you would like or want to keep.
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hiS_oWn 6 points 4 hours ago
well then, the argument would be what is gender? What is a woman? what is a man? if it's personal, granted, but much of these roles and interactions are socially defined. Of course, as long as you found someone who is comfortable with the fact you were once a man, there is no problem, but in a general social context, what on earth is gained?
To me sexual reassignment surgery has no social function, just a psychological one. I can understand feeling comfortable if not at home in a gender role which is not of your gender, but other than that, what's the difference? What can a woman who was once a man, do that a woman cannot do, or that a man cannot do? Is it just so you can hang out with women and not feel left out? Is it sexual? If it is sexual, how is that different from being gay? Does sexual reassignment surgery destroy your ability to have an orgasam? You can argue then it's more emotional than physical, but then frankly, you could have done that without the snip snip and wouldn't you rather find someone who loves you for who you are than what you've made yourself?
It's kind of selfish to me, a person says "in my mind, i am a woman, but people do not see me as a woman, so i will transform myself within the limits of technology to appear as one." now what? does this somehow change your experience of buying bread? can you now hang out with certain people without feeling left out? can you attract people who would have otherwise not been attracted to you? Obviously you're not going to make more money or be taken more seriously in the political arena, so...
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CalvinR 3 points 3 hours ago
It's about feeling whole, and feeling comfortable as who you are. So what if it's selfish? Don't people have the right to feel comfortable with who they are, it's not like they are infringing on anyone else.
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hiS_oWn 5 points 2 hours ago
It's about feeling whole, and feeling comfortable as who you are.
It's okay, you're not really a fat teenage girl, you're really a sexy thin teenage girl, just no one can see that yet. all you have to do this starve yourself, get liposuction, and cut up your face, breasts, hips, etc, and you'll be the prettiest pretty princess in all the lands of teenybopper-dom. It's not about attracting men, it's about confidence, about feeling good in yourself, by having really large tits.
Which is also completely legal. I'm just questioning how healthy it is.
So what if it's selfish? Don't people have the right to feel comfortable with who they are, it's not like they are infringing on anyone else.
The effect is cosmetic. SRS doesn't make you a woman, it makes you look like one... and from what I've seen badly at that. You can't have kids, you won't have menopause, and frankly, the only thing that you'll share with a woman is the fact you will probably have to fake a few orgasams.
Every cell in your body is still male. This might make an interesting sci-fi topic where in the future, if you could rewrite your DNA, what the consequences of gene therapy might be, but forgoing that, all you're doing is cos-playing, just with your flesh. Not to mention all the nasty complications that could arise from purely elective surgery. So yes, I'd argue that the surgery stems from your discomfort with who you are. Which kind of leads me to what I was originally asking:
if in your mind you are the opposite gender, then your physical gender is not something you would like or want to keep.
What does that mean? what does it mean to have a genderfied mindset? What about a mind makes it female, or male other than the sexual, if that? It's like an implicit admission that women are not suited for certain mindsets and men are more suited for others, from which leads... what? Women are not suited for certain jobs because they don't have the mindset? Only men can do rugged things? Only women can pick out pretty colors and nice dresses? "Men cannot be a certain way, so therefore I must be a woman"?
If people are really comfortable with who they are, they should be able to answer this. I'm not trying to call them out on it, I just want an answer I can understand.
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CalvinR 2 points 2 hours ago
Really who cares? If someone wants to put antlers on their forehead and call themselves a moose, how does it affect your life in anyway.
Anyways why do we need to discuss this at all the dude, wants to change his penis into a vagina, so what.
Your obviously not going to understand why someone wants to physically be a female, so why try?
Anyways maybe she just think she looks better in panties without the bulge.
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hiS_oWn 3 points 1 hour ago
It doesn't.
You can put antlers on your forehead and call yourself a moose all you want. But when someone says, "hey that's not really a moose, that's just some guy pretending to be a moose. excuse me sir, why are you pretend to be a moose?"
You can't get all mad and say "No i'm actually a moose dammit, I can live my life however I want and you will never understand so don't try."
Well actually you can, but it doesn't stop me from asking. The "why try" is human nature, and actually from your Caroline Cosset link I think i understand better, but I still think it's mostly an image driven self-perception thing, more than an actual case of a woman's brain being stuck in a man's body, although with chimeras there is possibility of that being literally true.
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CalvinR 2 points 1 hour ago
I personaly don't 100% percent understand why but I personally think that maybe they feel they are a women so much that want to become as much of one as possible. Obviously they can never become a 100% female no male can yet get a female reproduction system. But they'll get them selves as close as possible.
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hiS_oWn 2 points 1 hour ago
I can agree with that, it's just that as long as the suspension of belief is consensual, sure whatever. But I do feel that it's something you'd have to legally disclose if asked about.
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bsiviglia9 3 points 36 minutes ago
But I do feel that it's something you'd have to legally disclose if asked about.
Why should they have to legally disclose their reassignment if asked?
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eitan 2 points 48 minutes ago
The argument you've made here is pretty much the same argument I'd make about it. Gender is socially defined and as such it makes me wonder about why someone would say they're a man inside a woman's body or the other way around. If the social construct wasn't there, if what it means to be a man or woman weren't so vehemently defined as they are in Western culture, would the people that feel as if they're the wrong gender still feel the same way?
I wonder, and not at all sarcastically, how often this sort of thing occurs in different cultures.
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bsiviglia9 2 points 34 minutes ago*
Anyways why do we need to discuss this at all the dude
Is there a possibility that discussion may lead to understanding, which might prevent persecution?
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jaggederest 3 points 2 hours ago
It all comes down to feeling foreign in your own body.
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hiS_oWn 2 points 2 hours ago
You'll feel foreign regardless then, if you base it on how people look at you.
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jaggederest 3 points 1 hour ago
No, no, not based on how other people see you. Based on your own perceptions alone.
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CalvinR 2 points 2 hours ago
The effect is cosmetic. SRS doesn't make you a woman, it makes you look like one... and from what I've seen badly at that.
Really Badly? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Cossey
get that cute boy to ask you out to the prom
I'm sure she doesn't have that problem. http://www.thedragnet.org/blog/musings/tula.html
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hiS_oWn 2 points 1 hour ago*
Damn, that is a pretty decent job, but I wasn't talking about attractiveness. I meant that in many cases, they still look male. So the idea here is that sexual reassignment surgery isn't just about making you into a woman... it's to make you into a sexy woman? Not being wry, but is that it? To be an attractive woman, not just a woman, because if so I feel I can understand, if not agree. I can understand "i want to be pretty", i just can't understand, "i want to be a woman just for the sake of it".
get that cute boy to ask you out to the prom I'm sure she doesn't have that problem
She does, when the tabloid found out, they almost ruined her life.
In 1989, Cossey converted to Judaism and married London businessman Elias Fattal, but upon returning from her honeymoon she saw that the press had done a story on her wedding, outing her to his family. Fattal's family was angry and horrified and after a few weeks, he took the side of his family and had the marriage annulled. Cossey married again in 1992 to Canadian David Finch. The couple are still married and living in Atlanta, Georgia.[1]
Not in every case, no. Glad it worked out in the end, but no matter how 'hot' you look, to some people, you will never be a woman.
EDIT: I can't believe I didn't notice this before but she has Klinefelter's syndrome, are most transsexual victims of Klinefelter's syndrome? Can I just assume that too? If that's the case, I can get behind the whole 'fixing' thing.
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ehird 3 points 3 hours ago
Obviously psychological things don't matter. It's only in your mind! Psssh. Wussies should grow up and start being MEN. Why would you want to change?
Wussies.
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hiS_oWn 2 points 2 hours ago
Sarcasm aside, that's what I'm asking, why on earth can't you just be a man about it? Maybe you like dick, congratulations, lots of men enjoy dick, some of them openly, some of them as closet republicans.
Maybe you like dressing up and acting like a woman. No problem, you can still be a successful cross dressing comedian, there are even sexual fetishes on the internet that cater to such desires. At the very least, you can be a sky pirate captain with a reputation, argh!
Why would a person want to be something they are not? I mean I've talked to girls before. It's not rare that one of them will say they really want to know what it's like to just stand up and pee for once, among other things. Men, I'm sure are no different, if for no other reason than the popularity of sex-changing manga, if that's any sort of indication.
What is it about the mindset that says "a Man must be A a woman must be B, therefore any evidence that I am a man must be removed, because only a woman can be B"? I mean a gender is not what you think you are, it's what you are. If you were a hermaphrodite, a chimera, or otherwise biologically characterizable, things might be different. But really, Wachowski will be no better (or worse, depending on your point of view) a director because he is a she, or she is a he. And that's without going into the confusing details of it.
Read my other posts, I'm not some homophobic jock who's trying to bash trannies. I'm just trying to get some insight into this thing. Because really, if it's a matter of identity, no amount of surgery is going to let you have kids, get that cute boy to ask you out to the prom, or otherwise get other people to interact with you as something other than who you are, yourself: your personality, your intellect, your convictions, your sense of humor etcetera. If you don't believe that, then yes I think there is an issue of self-image and self-esteem involved.
I mean it seems a damn long ways to go, just to get some guy to pull out a chair for you.
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jaggederest 3 points 2 hours ago
well then, the argument would be what is gender? What is a woman? what is a man? if it's personal, granted, but much of these roles and interactions are socially defined. Of course, as long as you found someone who is comfortable with the fact you were once a man, there is no problem, but in a general social context, what on earth is gained?
Gender is purely psychological. Imagine if you were transplanted into someone else's body. You'd be pretty anxious to get back into your body. The same is true with transsexuals.
To me sexual reassignment surgery has no social function, just a psychological one.
Correct. It's purely a fix to make ones body identity match.
I can understand feeling comfortable if not at home in a gender role which is not of your gender, but other than that, what's the difference? What can a woman who was once a man, do that a woman cannot do, or that a man cannot do? Is it just so you can hang out with women and not feel left out?
Men and women are treated differently in society, this should be clear to any reasonable adult. Outsiders are treated particularly harsh. Would you enjoy being the only one in the locker room without the 'right' parts downstairs?
Is it sexual? If it is sexual, how is that different from being gay?
Well, let me put it this way: Gay people like other people of the same gender. Transsexuals may or may not like men, women, or both. Those men or women may or may not like men, women, or both. You can identify as straight male, and have a MTF as a partner. You can identify as a gay male, and have a MTF as a partner.
Does sexual reassignment surgery destroy your ability to have an orgasam?
No. Orgasms are, in the end, mental.
You can argue then it's more emotional than physical, but then frankly, you could have done that without the snip snip and wouldn't you rather find someone who loves you for who you are than what you've made yourself?
Generally it's not about other people. If it was, what you say might be true. For most transsexuals, it's a matter of fixing something wrong with their body.
It's kind of selfish to me, a person says "in my mind, i am a woman, but people do not see me as a woman, so i will transform myself within the limits of technology to appear as one." now what? does this somehow change your experience of buying bread?
Yes. A ton. Try dressing up as a woman and shopping sometime, see how it feels. Better yet, try using the women's bathroom.
can you now hang out with certain people without feeling left out? can you attract people who would have otherwise not been attracted to you? Obviously you're not going to make more money or be taken more seriously in the political arena, so...
Largely irrelevant. If you woke up one morning with a huge tumor growing between your legs, would you worry about societal acceptance before you got it cut off?
It's a lot more serious a decision than you think. It's major, life-altering surgery. They don't go through it lightly.
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hiS_oWn 2 points 1 hour ago
Gender is purely psychological. Imagine if you were transplanted into someone else's body. You'd be pretty anxious to get back into your body. The same is true with transsexuals.
No it's not, if that was true, sex reassignment surgery wouldn't need hormones, now would they? Gender is not merely psychological, the feeling of being a stranger to your own body is, but then again, what I'm asking is, where is the disconnect? why do you identify with a gender not of your own?
Men and women are treated differently in society, this should be clear to any reasonable adult. Outsiders are treated particularly harsh. Would you enjoy being the only one in the locker room without the 'right' parts downstairs?
Lets say I'm not white, but I know I'm white, I feel white, i dance terribly, I vote Republican, I wear shorts on the weekend and mow my lawn. Why not then, can I just bleach my skin and hair, put on a pair of plaid slacks and be white? Shouldn't white people accept me for who I actually am? White? Ignoring the fact I was born Chinese-Italian in Mexico and adopted by black Brits and went to a Hebrew School for 9 years, but people don't treat me as if I was white. I'm not getting the full white experience. Isn't this completely healthy and psychologically sound that the only choice open to me is to undergo hormone therapy to become white?
And that really isn't all that sarcastic of a question. Lots of people in history have pretended to be white, because they could pass it off and it was advantageous to do so. We see Asian people getting that eye surgery so they appear 'more western'. Maybe 200 years from now people will try to look more Asian, 500, the blacks, a thousand, bell bottoms will be back in style. Maybe it even works and people treat you as if you were white, but in the end, are you white? And were anyone to find out the incredible lengths you went to change your racial identity, are they wrong in seeing you differently? Or would you say that the terrible thing here is the racism, and that the cause is something we should try to fix, not just cover up the symptoms?
Well, let me put it this way: Gay people like other people of the same gender. Transsexuals may or may not like men, women, or both. Those men or women may or may not like men, women, or both. You can identify as straight male, and have a MTF as a partner. You can identify as a gay male, and have a MTF as a partner.
see that's confusing, if you know the person had a sex change operation, you can still consider yourself straight? That's just downright confusing on my part. She's a man, but I'm straight, so it's okay. She's a man, but I'm gay, so it's okay. It doesn't really seem like a logical definition, just a practical application of "whatever works, whatever I can get, and whatever makes me happy." Which I argue, if you're that open, you could have probably found a combination that works without losing the banana slug.
No. Orgasms are, in the end, mental.
Dude, if you can show me how to get off using only the power of my mind. Tell me, we can write a book and make millions.
Generally it's not about other people. If it was, what you say might be true. For most transsexuals, it's a matter of fixing something wrong with their body.
Which is what the sad thing is my opinion. Not to sound preachy, but there are lots of crippled, cancerous, otherwise debilitating conditions out there, many of whom are lucky to be even alive, and will never be what they want to be could they afford the surgery, should the surgery even exist, and there are those look at their gender and go, "shit, i picked tails."
Largely irrelevant. If you woke up one morning with a huge tumor growing between your legs, would you worry about societal acceptance before you got it cut off?
Well no one's ever died just from having a penis. It's not like it's gonna just keep growing bigger and bigger, destroying everything in it's path as it crushes Tokyo beneath it's balls...
It's a lot more serious a decision than you think. It's major, life-altering surgery. They don't go through it lightly.
No doubt, it's not exactly something you can come back the next day and say, "I've changed my mind, here's the receipt, can i have a refund?" And enough people do it, that there precedence, I'm just curious is all.
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guisar 3 points 1 hour ago
I think it's VERY different from being gay in the sense that she would (if she wants) be able to date / marry straight guys. She'd also be able to do things she obviously enjoys which, if you'll pardon the stereotype, probably include shopping for nice clothes, paying attention to her appearance, wearing a dress. Not that you CAN'T do those things as a guy but that gender would limit her opportunities just as being a women would similarly limit your opportunities to say, be a model. Changing her gender must be very, very difficult to deal with among the people she's closest to. Ironically, until other people realized or "found out" I wouldn't imagine it would hinder her at all. Maybe in the future guys opportunities won't be so restricted, but for the present I'd say this might be part of the motivation.
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Phia 2 points 4 minutes ago
I think the question you have to ask here, is that if you wanted to be a woman, why not? It’s not a matter of gain; it’s a matter of comfort with self.
It is selfish only in the sense that you’re doing something counter to what the world wants, since most people fear the abnormal. Gender reassignment is done when the you that is physically present does not match the psychological you. It has nothing to do with being gay… You could be in a male body and desire to be in a female body, but still have sexual/romantic relationships with women, or vica versa.
Getting your bits knackered or expanded as suits your desires may be necessary for you to achieve a measure of satisfaction. Paraplegics are known for the capacity to redirect orgasmic sensations to their ears. Even orgasm is hardly the be all and end all of sex.
I was born a woman physically and since early childhood, feminine trappings have been very important to me. I would guess that you are satisfied with your biological gender and the trappings that go with masculinity. Some people are not.
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bsiviglia9 11 points 5 hours ago*
...i[sic] can't seem to get under my skin is sex change operations[sic]...but it still seems wrong to me.
Should we only allow people to engage in activities you understand?
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hiS_oWn 3 points 4 hours ago
Oy, no need to get confrontational, I'm not saying we should ban it, I perfectly thing it's within a person's right to undergo a sex change operation. Then again, I also think it's right for him to be charged with fraud if he ever presented himself as a woman disingenuously to another person.
All i was asking is the logic behind it. Whats the reasoning and motivation behind it.
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bsiviglia9 2 points 42 minutes ago
but it still seems wrong to me.
When you say "but it still seems wrong to me" do you mean "it seems wrong for me" or "it seems wrong for everyone"?
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dfk789 22 points 13 hours ago
I hate to say this...but s/he doesn't look that bad as a woman. A mildly unattractive woman...
(I want to cry now)
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Erf 22 points 8 hours ago
S/he's actually looks better as a woman than a man.
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Judas 2 points 1 hour ago
Hmm... Yeah. She looks like Trinity on crack, I can see it, I still wouldn't fuck her tho', she'll probably rape me in front of a green screen and do all kinds of special effects to my cock.
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fuzzcat 18 points 7 hours ago
Eh. There's no shame in acknowledging someone's looks. It doesn't make you gay or even queer. When someone is presenting as a woman, it makes total sense for you to parse their gender in that way and act/react accordingly.
From the picture, I'm thinking that she's not going to have any trouble passing.
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bsiviglia9 3 points 5 hours ago
Another famous transgengered person: Wendy Carlos - First musician ever to produce an entire album of electronic music.
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hynkle 2 points 3 hours ago
Oh, sweet! I always just assumed Walter Carlos and Wendy Carlos were a married couple or something, since I knew they both did synthesizer stuff around the same time. You've just made my day!
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multiphonic 2 points 3 hours ago*
Switched on Bach, the score from A Clockwork Orange... These are not light pieces. She transitioned in the 60s - can you imagine?
Also, Danielle Bunten who we have to thank for M.U.L.E.
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dberis 9 points 7 hours ago
So are they now the Neo-Wachowski Brothers?
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kettlehead 6 points 6 hours ago
Wachowski siblings :P
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chimpeach 64 points 14 hours ago
"If Matrix Revolutions fails, I'll cut off my cock n balls!"
3 Years Later...
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meprogrammerguy 12 points 5 hours ago
Neo: Whoa. Déjà vu.
[Everyone freezes right in their tracks]
Trinity: What did you just say?
Neo: Nothing. Just had a little déjà vu.
Trinity: What did you see?
Cypher: What happened?
Neo: A Wachowski went past us, and then another that looked just like it.
Trinity: How much like it? Was it the same Wachowski?
Neo: It might have been. I'm not sure.
Morpheus: Switch! Apoc!
Neo: What is it?
Trinity: A déjà vu is usually a glitch in the Matrix. It happens when they change something.
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glitch13 18 points 8 hours ago
Um, that photo is on their wikipedia article and has the comment "Personal photo taken at San Diego ComicCon 2004, released into Public Domain By me, Charlie Meadows {{GFDL-self}}."
Emerges! 3 years ago! I wonder what he looks like now.
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Bobwise 9 points 8 hours ago
There are no new pictures in that article...
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anonymoustroll 9 points 8 hours ago
I'd hit it.
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HookerBot5000 3 points 4 hours ago
He (she) looks much happier.
I can't imagine what it must feel like being "in the wrong body".
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Desaparecido 4 points 6 hours ago
So...I still think V For Vendetta was a great film, and badly needed in this day and age of neocon treachery.
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axiomotion 2 points 3 hours ago
Where is this "first photo"? That image of them at a con has been floating around the net for a while.
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bemmu 2 points 4 hours ago
We took a look at those pictures with a friend. But we wouldn't go as far to say that he looks like a woman in the second/third pic. We can see a slight difference between first and second pic, but no major change. So you think the difference is major? I know guys who look like the second/third pic even without any hormone therapy.
God, this sounded like a troll. Admittedly I am expecting a "no way, I disagree!" reaction to this comment.
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tofocsend 3 points 6 hours ago
It's always the quiet ones...
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kobes 2 points 6 hours ago*
Andy looks freaked out. :-)
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eshemuta 8 points 11 hours ago
I know Kung Fu
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tofocsend 10 points 6 hours ago
Show me.
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ba3boos -3 points 5 hours ago*
Mr Larry's fancy new vagina...ewww
trannies scare me, yes i'm tranni-phobic (or is it trannophobic?)...something about it being unnatural
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hynkle 3 points 3 hours ago
Clipping your fingernails is fucking unnatural. So's using a computer. Get over it.
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Haven 3 points 2 hours ago
Damn, doesn't he have a right to his own opinion? He doesn't have to 'get over it.' And he doesn't have to like it either. It's his choice to like it or not, just as it was Larry's to become Lara.
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GuineaPig 2 points 43 minutes ago
Freedom of opinion includes freedom to criticize.
Everyone has a right to their opinion, but they don't have to the right to be protected from being told they're full of shit.
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GuineaPig 2 points 46 minutes ago
Nothing in nature is unnatural.
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ba3boos 2 points 2 hours ago
umm did you just compare using a computer to chopping off your dick and drilling a hole in its place? you're right... i need to get over it
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